Raleigh’s Manifesto to Plensa v1.0

Tonight’s meeting of the Public Art Committee of the Arts Commission discussed a draft of guidelines for Jaume Plensa, should he opt to rework his City Square concept. From the meeting’s opening dialogue, it appears that Plensa is willing to consider new guidelines, but wants them, as well as the process by which the project will be approved, clearly stated.

During the meeting Dan Douglas, of the Urban Design Center, read the current encarnation of the City’s parameters. They included clear desires for a place for people to congregate that is pedestrian friendly, safe, well lit, flexible, easy to maintain, and follows the proposed budget.

On the other hand there are very tight restrictions that are being placed on the artist. There are two North/South pedestrian axes (each side of Fayetteville St.) and the East/West axis (created by the allies that will appear on the north ends of the Marriott and Site 1) which must be respected, if not celebrated. Too, the street must extend down its current axis.

Finally "There should be no visual obstruction of the (curb to curb) 40-foot axial view from the Capitol to the Performing Arts Center." The interpretation of this statement is still open. Does an LED light grid that extends over the street constitute an "obstruction" if it is placed so high that it doesn’t cross the view of a building, or is the City prohibiting anything at all above and within the 40′, regardless of altitude?

Regardless, the recommendation from the City will essentially be for a split plaza. No matter how pedestrian-friendly a plaza is, if it has free-flowing automotive traffic, the cars rule and everything else that happens is secondary. There is no possible way, in that location, to create a single "City Square".

Other elements such as grass, water features, and the vertical light beam will have to be completely reconceptualized. Perhaps the light beam could be placed below the surface of the street, but the wall of water representing the septum of the soul is impossible to carry out given these restrictions.

The proposed schedule shows that the full Arts Commission will meet on 8/21 to redraft the document for the City Council. From then until 9/5 the adjacent property owners will get their input on the City’s parameters (a big problem with Plensa’s current plan is the barrier it places on accessibility to the new Marriott at Site 2.). The City Council will adjust and approve the parameters on 9/5. The contract will be amended by 9/19 when Mr. Plensa works on his new proposal which will ultimately be compliance-reviewed by the Arts Commission and then immediately reviewed (perhaps approved) by the City Council. After that the engineering will be restarted and installation will happen in 2007. The City only has one hard deadline; their agreement to provide vehicular access to the Marriott by June of 2008.

There was no discussion of an alternate site for this plaza, nor were any specific design ideas presented by the Public Art Committee. We love to hear your comments here, but ultimately the court of public opinion seems to be driven by letters (or email) to City Council members and, most importantly, letters to the News & Observer. It’s time for our readers to drown out the vacuous moaning from surrounding towns that the paper likes to feature. We all don’t agree about what should happen with this project, but at least we all have logical arguments and generally have a good feel that Raleigh needs to do something bold and great. Let’s be heard Raleighers!

  • Lew

    I will be surprised if Plensa redesigns it. I hope I am wrong. Of course, the paycheck he receives for completing the project as opposed to not completing it may tilt his decision. (I would imagine it’s in the 500K range if completed.) As an artist, I have little respect for others ideas of what something should be or should look like. That’s really what being an artist is, expression of one’s own ideas. Then real world situations come into play (paying the rent, eating …) and one has to take into account the opinions of others. THAT being said, it sounds like there are one to many opinions of others here in the restrictions.
    It sounds like the main theme of the requirements is that the vista that has been created, which I think is dynamic, needs to be preserved. I would venture to guess that if Plensa does decide to rework the design it would feature softer plaza corners, which may offer a more intriguing design element than square corners anyways.

  • Lew

    I will be surprised if Plensa redesigns it. I hope I am wrong. Of course, the paycheck he receives for completing the project as opposed to not completing it may tilt his decision. (I would imagine it’s in the 500K range if completed.) As an artist, I have little respect for others ideas of what something should be or should look like. That’s really what being an artist is, expression of one’s own ideas. Then real world situations come into play (paying the rent, eating …) and one has to take into account the opinions of others. THAT being said, it sounds like there are one to many opinions of others here in the restrictions.
    It sounds like the main theme of the requirements is that the vista that has been created, which I think is dynamic, needs to be preserved. I would venture to guess that if Plensa does decide to rework the design it would feature softer plaza corners, which may offer a more intriguing design element than square corners anyways.

  • Beth Y

    A couple thoughts and corrections. Keep in mind that the list of parameters are still “draft” and will go to the full Arts Commission for approval next Tuesday, 8/22. As you state, the final approval of the parameters, as always, will be by Council.
    I disagree with Dana that the most important place to voice your opinion is the N&O.; If you want your opinion to be taken into account in the Arts Commission’s report to Council, you must send it to publicart@ci.raleigh.nc.us. I also advise sending your thoughts to your City Council. I agree seeing support of public art in the N&O; is important, and encourage you to do so. But if you want to be counted in the “public comment process” for this piece, please send your comments to the city.

  • Beth Y

    A couple thoughts and corrections. Keep in mind that the list of parameters are still “draft” and will go to the full Arts Commission for approval next Tuesday, 8/22. As you state, the final approval of the parameters, as always, will be by Council.
    I disagree with Dana that the most important place to voice your opinion is the N&O. If you want your opinion to be taken into account in the Arts Commission’s report to Council, you must send it to publicart@ci.raleigh.nc.us. I also advise sending your thoughts to your City Council. I agree seeing support of public art in the N&O is important, and encourage you to do so. But if you want to be counted in the “public comment process” for this piece, please send your comments to the city.

  • http://profile.typekey.com/BlueNation/ BlueNation

    Having visited public art in many cities worldwide, I am underwhelmed by this proposal. Besides, it’s not terribly original. Erwin Redl has been doing this for years and, doing it better.
    http://paramedia.net/

  • http://profile.typekey.com/BlueNation/ BlueNation

    Having visited public art in many cities worldwide, I am underwhelmed by this proposal. Besides, it’s not terribly original. Erwin Redl has been doing this for years and, doing it better.
    http://paramedia.net/

  • Dana

    Redl’s stuff looks really interesting, but I think the Plensa proposal is completely different. It would be like saying Picasso wasn’t original because others have used oil paint before.
    Plensa’s concept is about the plaza, not the LEDs. The dead margins surround a plaza of life and kinetic energy. The beam to the heavens reminds us of a higher power while it is a reminder to others in the city where the heart is. The water wall represents an invitation to explore the other side of…our soul, our culture, etc. The LED canopy is horizontal and meant to recall courtyards of Europe. The feeling underneath it is protection and inclusion.
    There is a LOT to chew on with Plensa proposed City Square. The LED canopy is the most obvious feature, but like other good art, there is more to be appreciated the more it is experienced.

  • Dana

    Redl’s stuff looks really interesting, but I think the Plensa proposal is completely different. It would be like saying Picasso wasn’t original because others have used oil paint before.
    Plensa’s concept is about the plaza, not the LEDs. The dead margins surround a plaza of life and kinetic energy. The beam to the heavens reminds us of a higher power while it is a reminder to others in the city where the heart is. The water wall represents an invitation to explore the other side of…our soul, our culture, etc. The LED canopy is horizontal and meant to recall courtyards of Europe. The feeling underneath it is protection and inclusion.
    There is a LOT to chew on with Plensa proposed City Square. The LED canopy is the most obvious feature, but like other good art, there is more to be appreciated the more it is experienced.

  • http://www.PermissionToSuck.com/ Bruce DeBoer

    Note to self:
    Re-read “The Fountainhead”

  • http://www.PermissionToSuck.com Bruce DeBoer

    Note to self:
    Re-read “The Fountainhead”

  • Justin

    The experience is one problem I have with the Plensa detractors. I’m not sure if I like the proposal myself, but I am willing to trust a world class artist. We can see the renderings, but we have no idea what the experience will be like until it is built. People that say it doesn’t fit or messes up the view are prejudging something which they cannot judge honestly. Art is about how you experience it. That will be the beauty of this project. Raleigh needs to just take a leap of faith, which, unfortunately, it seems unwilling to do.

  • Justin

    The experience is one problem I have with the Plensa detractors. I’m not sure if I like the proposal myself, but I am willing to trust a world class artist. We can see the renderings, but we have no idea what the experience will be like until it is built. People that say it doesn’t fit or messes up the view are prejudging something which they cannot judge honestly. Art is about how you experience it. That will be the beauty of this project. Raleigh needs to just take a leap of faith, which, unfortunately, it seems unwilling to do.

  • Lew Wilson

    Right on Justin …
    There’s a story on WRAL that basically asks the city to take a risk:
    http://www.wral.com/news/9679182/detail.html
    One of the best lines is “Cities need to take risks or else you are just like any other city.” Oh and notice all the children in the background … splashing, laughing.
    I think this project will enhance the vista! Raleigh needs to let go of the security blanket on this project, it will turn out to be AMAZING.

  • Lew Wilson

    Right on Justin …
    There’s a story on WRAL that basically asks the city to take a risk:
    http://www.wral.com/news/9679182/detail.html
    One of the best lines is “Cities need to take risks or else you are just like any other city.” Oh and notice all the children in the background … splashing, laughing.
    I think this project will enhance the vista! Raleigh needs to let go of the security blanket on this project, it will turn out to be AMAZING.

  • chris

    Thank you for pointing us towards Redl… someone really needs to forward some of those images to the newspaper and members of the council to give them a better idea of what this could look… I do realize that, as someone mentioned, his proposal is different; however, at least, if more people were to see images like these it may help alleviate some fears/misconceptions about LED technology, etc.

  • chris

    Thank you for pointing us towards Redl… someone really needs to forward some of those images to the newspaper and members of the council to give them a better idea of what this could look… I do realize that, as someone mentioned, his proposal is different; however, at least, if more people were to see images like these it may help alleviate some fears/misconceptions about LED technology, etc.

  • Fred

    First, it’s not a Picasso / Oil paint comparison — the LED’s are not origional and the concept itself is not orginal… but MOST importantly the LED display is not ART – it IS a display.
    Now maybe someone with some talent could concievably create a piece of artwork that would DISPLAY well on this canvas. But it’s just that.
    Maybe we could call the sawyer that made the plank of wood behind the Mona Lisa an artist?
    And by the way. ahs anyone costed the maintenance and upkeep for this “piece”?

  • Fred

    First, it’s not a Picasso / Oil paint comparison — the LED’s are not origional and the concept itself is not orginal… but MOST importantly the LED display is not ART – it IS a display.
    Now maybe someone with some talent could concievably create a piece of artwork that would DISPLAY well on this canvas. But it’s just that.
    Maybe we could call the sawyer that made the plank of wood behind the Mona Lisa an artist?
    And by the way. ahs anyone costed the maintenance and upkeep for this “piece”?

  • Lew Wilson

    And by the way. ahs anyone costed the maintenance and upkeep for this “piece”?
    . . . . . .
    Has anyone ever used “spell check”? Sheesh Fred. If you’re gonna criticize, at least speak correctly.
    Hint: Makes your point more plausible, though that post really doesn’t have one.

  • Lew Wilson

    And by the way. ahs anyone costed the maintenance and upkeep for this “piece”?
    . . . . . .
    Has anyone ever used “spell check”? Sheesh Fred. If you’re gonna criticize, at least speak correctly.
    Hint: Makes your point more plausible, though that post really doesn’t have one.

  • Ron T

    Has Lew ever heard (or here read) the expression “hello pot, this is kettle calling”? One does not speak correctly when one is making a post. One writes correctly.
    “Sheesh”? Using a non-word in a criticism of one’s spelling ability renders such criticism weak if not worthless.
    I for one think the Pensa Lite-Brite concept would be a big mistake – and likely a big costly mistake and think Fred is definitely onto something with his post.

  • Ron T

    Has Lew ever heard (or here read) the expression “hello pot, this is kettle calling”? One does not speak correctly when one is making a post. One writes correctly.
    “Sheesh”? Using a non-word in a criticism of one’s spelling ability renders such criticism weak if not worthless.
    I for one think the Pensa Lite-Brite concept would be a big mistake – and likely a big costly mistake and think Fred is definitely onto something with his post.

  • Ron T

    Has Lew ever heard (or here read) the expression “hello pot, this is kettle calling”? One does not speak correctly when one is making a post. One writes correctly.
    “Sheesh”? Using a non-word in a criticism of one’s spelling ability renders such criticism weak if not worthless.
    I for one think the Pensa Lite-Brite concept would be a big mistake – and likely a big costly mistake and think Fred is definitely onto something with his post.

  • Ron T

    Has Lew ever heard (or here read) the expression “hello pot, this is kettle calling”? One does not speak correctly when one is making a post. One writes correctly.
    “Sheesh”? Using a non-word in a criticism of one’s spelling ability renders such criticism weak if not worthless.
    I for one think the Pensa Lite-Brite concept would be a big mistake – and likely a big costly mistake and think Fred is definitely onto something with his post.

  • Lew Wilson

    Ok Ron … can we at least agree that one should spell the name of the so called artist correct (“Pensa Lite-Brite”) — it’s Plensa?
    I don’t want to (refraining from “wanna”) get into an argument here, but I think many of the opinions that don’t support the installation are formed out of ignorance.
    The LED portion of the installation was somewhat minimal. I would say that the granite and plaza area would have made the LED’s almost imperceptible. The lines would be akin to a spider web in the daytime and I think people are envisioning the lines as Christmas lights.

  • Lew Wilson

    Ok Ron … can we at least agree that one should spell the name of the so called artist correct (“Pensa Lite-Brite”) — it’s Plensa?
    I don’t want to (refraining from “wanna”) get into an argument here, but I think many of the opinions that don’t support the installation are formed out of ignorance.
    The LED portion of the installation was somewhat minimal. I would say that the granite and plaza area would have made the LED’s almost imperceptible. The lines would be akin to a spider web in the daytime and I think people are envisioning the lines as Christmas lights.

  • Ron T

    I was at work and did not focus on my spelling.
    I am not one to argue, but I love a healthy debate.
    In my experience, those who focus on grammar and spelling but then lead to concluding that others are ignorant, have not proved their case.
    One can recognize bad high priced “art” and call it as they see it. Others may see the same and drool. One could be illiterate, but his or her opinion is just that his or hers.
    It is not a stretch to say that LED lights which go over a recently opened street, that was nearly sealed for, what, 20 some odd years. Maybe, just maybe let’s think that first thing to do just might not be to string something across this recently opened street.
    What he did in Chicago (oh, I’m sorry, not too be ignorant, Chicago, IL) was interesting, this looks like the CD that we get from a group that should have stopped at the last recording.
    Don’t assume that others are ignorant, or conclude that an artistic view is somehow invalidated because an opinion on a local blog contains spelling errors.

  • Ron T

    I was at work and did not focus on my spelling.
    I am not one to argue, but I love a healthy debate.
    In my experience, those who focus on grammar and spelling but then lead to concluding that others are ignorant, have not proved their case.
    One can recognize bad high priced “art” and call it as they see it. Others may see the same and drool. One could be illiterate, but his or her opinion is just that his or hers.
    It is not a stretch to say that LED lights which go over a recently opened street, that was nearly sealed for, what, 20 some odd years. Maybe, just maybe let’s think that first thing to do just might not be to string something across this recently opened street.
    What he did in Chicago (oh, I’m sorry, not too be ignorant, Chicago, IL) was interesting, this looks like the CD that we get from a group that should have stopped at the last recording.
    Don’t assume that others are ignorant, or conclude that an artistic view is somehow invalidated because an opinion on a local blog contains spelling errors.

  • Doremus Jessup

    how about some buskers on Fayetteville Street?

  • Doremus Jessup

    how about some buskers on Fayetteville Street?

  • Lew Wilson

    Agreed on the blog part, but when the wording is not even close to coherent I tend to zone out. Maybe that’s just me.
    Actually I think his Jacksonville “display” was/is better. He is an incredible artist that has been displayed over many years. I hardly think we’re getting new Pink Floyd here.
    AGAIN, the lights strung across the street is maybe 15% of the total project. I assume ignorance (as it relates to this project) when the total focus is on only a small portion of the “artwork” :)

  • Lew Wilson

    Agreed on the blog part, but when the wording is not even close to coherent I tend to zone out. Maybe that’s just me.
    Actually I think his Jacksonville “display” was/is better. He is an incredible artist that has been displayed over many years. I hardly think we’re getting new Pink Floyd here.
    AGAIN, the lights strung across the street is maybe 15% of the total project. I assume ignorance (as it relates to this project) when the total focus is on only a small portion of the “artwork” :)

  • Ron T

    Fair enough Lew. Thanks for your post.
    I was actually thinking new Bowie or Stones, but you came pretty darn close with Pink Floyd.

  • Ron T

    Fair enough Lew. Thanks for your post.
    I was actually thinking new Bowie or Stones, but you came pretty darn close with Pink Floyd.

  • Lew Wilson

    “I was actually thinking new Bowie or Stones, but you came pretty darn close with Pink Floyd.”
    Nice Ron — Bowie or Stones WOULD have been better :) I actually think new Floyd is pretty good and somewhat compares to old Floyd, but Bowie and Stones (1990 +) is not even close to the old stuff.

  • Lew Wilson

    “I was actually thinking new Bowie or Stones, but you came pretty darn close with Pink Floyd.”
    Nice Ron — Bowie or Stones WOULD have been better :) I actually think new Floyd is pretty good and somewhat compares to old Floyd, but Bowie and Stones (1990 +) is not even close to the old stuff.