630 North Promises 10-stories on Boylan

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The 630 North Street complex, proposed for the corner of North St. and Boylan Ave., plans to integrate seven stories of condos, two stories of retail, and an integrated parking deck. The MoMentum Group’s project will offer 42 condominiums including 2, 3, and 4-bedroom floorplans, each with a nice balcony. Some of the floorplans offer a few oddities though, with guests having to go down hallways to get to the nearest restroom and closets and rooms with acute-angled internal corners.

The two dedicated levels of commercial space in the building’s base are better suited as an office environment as opposed to retail. The upper of the two levels will feature an outstanding patio overlooking Boylan Ave. At the street level, half of the North St. side (shown in the above image) and all of the the Boylan side will feature a two awkward, skinny allies of (presumably) retail space. The parking areas occupy four levels, two of them below grade, two integrated with the retail and office levels. The parking decks will be hidden with North and East side exposures.

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The exterior as a whole is forgettable, almost recalling the International styles we saw rise in America 30-40 years ago. This will be the tallest structure in the immediate neighborhood, which consists of former residential spaces that have been converted to commercial over the years. There will be protesters, but the inclusion of this degree of density is probably warrented to get the ball rolling on attracting more residents to the Glenwood South area.

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  • http://www.indyweek.com/ Bob Geary

    If it’s 4 levels of parking, 2 below & 2 above, and 7 levels of condos on top, isn’t that a 9-story building?

  • http://www.indyweek.com Bob Geary

    If it’s 4 levels of parking, 2 below & 2 above, and 7 levels of condos on top, isn’t that a 9-story building?

  • Dana

    I should explain the floors with more detail. There really are 13 floors, but 2 are below the street level, so the impact is like an 11-story building.
    Level 1: Sub grade parking
    Level 2: Sub grade parking
    Level 3: Entrance/Retail/parking
    Level 4: Parking
    Level 5: Large office space
    Level 6: Small office space & patio
    Level 7: Residential
    Level 8: Residential
    Level 9: Residential
    Level 10: Residential
    Level 11: Residential
    Level 12: Residential
    Level 13: Residential
    I based this summary on the drawing shown when one follows the “Commercial” Read More link. One can then hover over each floor in the cutaway diagram to see the floor’s plan.

  • Dana

    I should explain the floors with more detail. There really are 13 floors, but 2 are below the street level, so the impact is like an 11-story building.
    Level 1: Sub grade parking
    Level 2: Sub grade parking
    Level 3: Entrance/Retail/parking
    Level 4: Parking
    Level 5: Large office space
    Level 6: Small office space & patio
    Level 7: Residential
    Level 8: Residential
    Level 9: Residential
    Level 10: Residential
    Level 11: Residential
    Level 12: Residential
    Level 13: Residential
    I based this summary on the drawing shown when one follows the “Commercial” Read More link. One can then hover over each floor in the cutaway diagram to see the floor’s plan.

  • Ron T

    I like the simplicity of the design. I also think that this is good for increasing the density around Glenwood.
    Any estimate on when this is supposed to go for City approval? break ground?

  • Ron T

    I like the simplicity of the design. I also think that this is good for increasing the density around Glenwood.
    Any estimate on when this is supposed to go for City approval? break ground?

  • http://www.indyweek.com/ Bob Geary

    Put enough parking decks on the street, and you have — not a good street. Or, not as good a street as you could’ve had. For the extra density, how about some extra, pedestrian-friendly requirements? Couldn’t get ‘em with Tucker Street. Couldn’t get ‘em with the “7 or 8 story” Paramount, which turns out to be 10 stories, without one useful street-level amenity.

  • http://www.indyweek.com Bob Geary

    Put enough parking decks on the street, and you have — not a good street. Or, not as good a street as you could’ve had. For the extra density, how about some extra, pedestrian-friendly requirements? Couldn’t get ‘em with Tucker Street. Couldn’t get ‘em with the “7 or 8 story” Paramount, which turns out to be 10 stories, without one useful street-level amenity.

  • Dana

    I think that this page:
    http://www.northstreet.info/commercial-street.html
    shows the street level experience best. In the diagram Boylan is on the left and North Street is labeled at the bottom. It looks like the entire Boylan facade will have street level retail. On the North St. facade, the half closer to the corner will also have retail space. The right half appears to be an elevator lobby and parking deck entrance. The only problem appears to be how puny the space is. There is maybe only 20′ of depth to these spaces when viewing them from the street. Is this enough to have an interesting store?
    I definitely appreciate the developer’s intent to do something at the street level beyond the pedestrian and car entrances, but this space won’t seem very nice. I wonder if there is any way to fatten the building by adding another 10-15′ on the left side, sliding the project toward Glenwood just a bit.

  • Dana

    I think that this page:
    http://www.northstreet.info/commercial-street.html
    shows the street level experience best. In the diagram Boylan is on the left and North Street is labeled at the bottom. It looks like the entire Boylan facade will have street level retail. On the North St. facade, the half closer to the corner will also have retail space. The right half appears to be an elevator lobby and parking deck entrance. The only problem appears to be how puny the space is. There is maybe only 20′ of depth to these spaces when viewing them from the street. Is this enough to have an interesting store?
    I definitely appreciate the developer’s intent to do something at the street level beyond the pedestrian and car entrances, but this space won’t seem very nice. I wonder if there is any way to fatten the building by adding another 10-15′ on the left side, sliding the project toward Glenwood just a bit.

  • will

    IRC, I thought they were trying to attract a bank branch to anchor the ground floor.

  • will

    IRC, I thought they were trying to attract a bank branch to anchor the ground floor.

  • http://archiandy.blogspot.com/ AndyO

    Not bad – kind of a Gropius and O’Brien Atkins meet Hyatt Regency design. But, it’s smart and clean and thoughtful. I like the unit plans a lot. It is a little sad without any color, especially since it’s replacing that funky church building. It would be nice to keep the memory of that church somehow – maybe put the stained glass in the retail windows.
    (Thanks, as always, for the information.)

  • http://archiandy.blogspot.com AndyO

    Not bad – kind of a Gropius and O’Brien Atkins meet Hyatt Regency design. But, it’s smart and clean and thoughtful. I like the unit plans a lot. It is a little sad without any color, especially since it’s replacing that funky church building. It would be nice to keep the memory of that church somehow – maybe put the stained glass in the retail windows.
    (Thanks, as always, for the information.)

  • Bill

    I like the exterior style; it fits with the Meir building (also International Style?), opposite the Hibernian. And I hope the Meir building will be polished and modernized someday. But of the 3 photos shown of the 630 N St. residential interiors, only the kitchen looks high quality. Is that an acoustical tile ceiling in the living room? I’m not crazy about having that in my office and I certainly wouldn’t want it in my living room. The interiors look like motel rooms with stylish furniture crowding the room so that you can’t see the finishes.

  • Bill

    I like the exterior style; it fits with the Meir building (also International Style?), opposite the Hibernian. And I hope the Meir building will be polished and modernized someday. But of the 3 photos shown of the 630 N St. residential interiors, only the kitchen looks high quality. Is that an acoustical tile ceiling in the living room? I’m not crazy about having that in my office and I certainly wouldn’t want it in my living room. The interiors look like motel rooms with stylish furniture crowding the room so that you can’t see the finishes.

  • Mike

    I like the design. Any idea what the price range is, though? Everything that is being developed is way to pricey for the average young professional starting out. Are there plans for condos/houses/townhomes in the 100-150 as opposed to to 250+?

  • Mike

    I like the design. Any idea what the price range is, though? Everything that is being developed is way to pricey for the average young professional starting out. Are there plans for condos/houses/townhomes in the 100-150 as opposed to to 250+?

  • Derek

    *Yawn* *stretch* *yawn*
    Another ho-hum building. I know my architectual related posts can be a bit negative, and I’m certainly no architect, but…can we put up a building in Raleigh that DOESN’T look like a great big dining room CHAIR?
    I’m glad we are getting some urban condos/apartments and more people living downtown…just wish they could show some style with the design, a la’ the Paramount.

  • Derek

    *Yawn* *stretch* *yawn*
    Another ho-hum building. I know my architectual related posts can be a bit negative, and I’m certainly no architect, but…can we put up a building in Raleigh that DOESN’T look like a great big dining room CHAIR?
    I’m glad we are getting some urban condos/apartments and more people living downtown…just wish they could show some style with the design, a la’ the Paramount.

  • Derek

    Oh yeah…one more thing.
    Can we name a building anything other than their address or street numbers?
    630 North
    722 West
    West on North
    Dawson on Morgan
    511 Glenwood
    etc..etc..boring etc…

  • Derek

    Oh yeah…one more thing.
    Can we name a building anything other than their address or street numbers?
    630 North
    722 West
    West on North
    Dawson on Morgan
    511 Glenwood
    etc..etc..boring etc…

  • John

    AGREED totally on the names…. They are so incredibly awful and pretentious! The ones that really reek of pretense and self importance are the ones with their “This on That” formats (BTW, you missed the Glen on Peace). Who’s stupid idea was it to name the Dawson on Morgan? I think that’s the one that started the naming format. Notice how it gets reduced to “The Dawson”? I like that much better. 510 Glenwood started the other naming convention in Raleigh.
    The name of a proposed project that I like at the moment is “Boylan Flats”. Although it uses the name of the street, it does so in such a way that evokes a urban casual lifestyle by using an ordinary and common term for urban apartments (flat).

  • John

    AGREED totally on the names…. They are so incredibly awful and pretentious! The ones that really reek of pretense and self importance are the ones with their “This on That” formats (BTW, you missed the Glen on Peace). Who’s stupid idea was it to name the Dawson on Morgan? I think that’s the one that started the naming format. Notice how it gets reduced to “The Dawson”? I like that much better. 510 Glenwood started the other naming convention in Raleigh.
    The name of a proposed project that I like at the moment is “Boylan Flats”. Although it uses the name of the street, it does so in such a way that evokes a urban casual lifestyle by using an ordinary and common term for urban apartments (flat).

  • John

    A few more comments: 1.) Don’t expect anything to be cheap unless the city/county/state get involved in subsidizing private development in exchange for a certain number of units being made affordable to those making under a certain income level. 2.)An interesting mixture of architectural styles is a good thing and creates interest within a community. 3.)Not every building needs to be mixed use as long as the total community maintains the right mix going forward. We can have all residential, all commmercial and all retails buildings. Besides, an all residential building is much easier for the H.O. assn to manage. I hear nightmare stories from friends of mine that live in highly mixed buildings. The say that a large retail/office mixture makes it almost impossible to reach consensus on issues that need resolution.

  • John

    A few more comments: 1.) Don’t expect anything to be cheap unless the city/county/state get involved in subsidizing private development in exchange for a certain number of units being made affordable to those making under a certain income level. 2.)An interesting mixture of architectural styles is a good thing and creates interest within a community. 3.)Not every building needs to be mixed use as long as the total community maintains the right mix going forward. We can have all residential, all commmercial and all retails buildings. Besides, an all residential building is much easier for the H.O. assn to manage. I hear nightmare stories from friends of mine that live in highly mixed buildings. The say that a large retail/office mixture makes it almost impossible to reach consensus on issues that need resolution.

  • Ron T

    From what I have read it will take action by Raleigh to get more affordable condos/apts. downtown, but the does not need to be money going from taxpayers to developers (something sounds wrong with that if we are talking about middle class housing). The zoning code needs to be changed to permit more units per acre. With less permitted the units are larger and there are fewer of them, so to make money they become “luxury”. In a thriving economy with people moving here everyday, it would not make sense for Raleigh to pay to bring the middle-class downtown. It does pay for the city to remove impediments though.

  • Ron T

    From what I have read it will take action by Raleigh to get more affordable condos/apts. downtown, but the does not need to be money going from taxpayers to developers (something sounds wrong with that if we are talking about middle class housing). The zoning code needs to be changed to permit more units per acre. With less permitted the units are larger and there are fewer of them, so to make money they become “luxury”. In a thriving economy with people moving here everyday, it would not make sense for Raleigh to pay to bring the middle-class downtown. It does pay for the city to remove impediments though.

  • http://www.jasonbgraves.blogspot.com/ JB

    Affordability is a big factor in the downtown market. We are seeing a number of large projects but we still aren’t 100% sure what the downtown demographic will be. Right now the best that can be done is pure speculation and getting the city involved is not a good idea. Areas of redevelopment (Like the SE Raleigh plans) typically benefit from the city but not young professionals from the burbs vying for a condo downtown. You can find the price range of 150-200k readily available around Parkridge, Bishops Point and Cameron Park, etc…

  • http://www.jasonbgraves.blogspot.com/ JB

    Affordability is a big factor in the downtown market. We are seeing a number of large projects but we still aren’t 100% sure what the downtown demographic will be. Right now the best that can be done is pure speculation and getting the city involved is not a good idea. Areas of redevelopment (Like the SE Raleigh plans) typically benefit from the city but not young professionals from the burbs vying for a condo downtown. You can find the price range of 150-200k readily available around Parkridge, Bishops Point and Cameron Park, etc…

  • John

    You can also get under 200K at the Cotton Mill (smaller units), Cameron Village and places near the Whitaker Mill/Wake Forest area.
    As for subsidies, there is no way the city can help and it not affect the tax payers in the end. But, remember, a vibrant downtown benefits ALL residents, not just those who live there. Urban energy encourages leading edge companies and workers to want to live an create jobs in the area. It fosters collaboration among a variety of creative class individuals. It shores up tolerance of others who are not like us. Not everything can be measured in a traditional bean counting way.
    What are these impediments that are referred? Building heights? Zoning?, etc… If this is what is meant by impediments than I am all for them. I lived in Houston once where zoning is non existent and the place is a MESS.

  • John

    You can also get under 200K at the Cotton Mill (smaller units), Cameron Village and places near the Whitaker Mill/Wake Forest area.
    As for subsidies, there is no way the city can help and it not affect the tax payers in the end. But, remember, a vibrant downtown benefits ALL residents, not just those who live there. Urban energy encourages leading edge companies and workers to want to live an create jobs in the area. It fosters collaboration among a variety of creative class individuals. It shores up tolerance of others who are not like us. Not everything can be measured in a traditional bean counting way.
    What are these impediments that are referred? Building heights? Zoning?, etc… If this is what is meant by impediments than I am all for them. I lived in Houston once where zoning is non existent and the place is a MESS.

  • RonT

    I am not Raleigh zoning expert, but I have heard developers speak on this and also read that right now there is a limit on the number of units per acre. I don’t think there is a height limit, but if you can only do X units per acre, you are capped and are going to try for larger bigger money units.
    I am pretty sure this is on the City’s plate and being addressed….at least I hope so. It would be awesome to see a few more affordable larger buildings.

  • RonT

    I am not Raleigh zoning expert, but I have heard developers speak on this and also read that right now there is a limit on the number of units per acre. I don’t think there is a height limit, but if you can only do X units per acre, you are capped and are going to try for larger bigger money units.
    I am pretty sure this is on the City’s plate and being addressed….at least I hope so. It would be awesome to see a few more affordable larger buildings.

  • John

    Actually, there are height limits that are aligned with the city’s downtown neighborhood plans. If you dig through the webpages at downtownraleigh.org you will find pdf files that map out the city’s strategic plans. There are other places on the web that will show you building height limits in specifid neighborhoods in support of the overall strategy. It’s a pretty complicated thing to try to achieve the right balance as the city grows. Of course, not all the challenges come from the city. NIMBY neighbors have proven that they too are a force with which to be reckoned.
    In the end, it doesn’t matter how high a building can go or how much density can be acheived. It’s going to be expensive. It’s difficult logistically to manage a project in an urban area. Steel and concrete have gone through the roof in a post Katrina world that that is exacerbated by the voracious appetite of the Chinese construction boom. And, that’s not even mentioning what is happening to energy costs. The fact is that the type of construction necessary to house people in high density is getting exponentially more expensive. You will never see 150K condos in downtown Raleigh going forward without some sort of significant investment on the part of the city or other public entities.

  • John

    Actually, there are height limits that are aligned with the city’s downtown neighborhood plans. If you dig through the webpages at downtownraleigh.org you will find pdf files that map out the city’s strategic plans. There are other places on the web that will show you building height limits in specifid neighborhoods in support of the overall strategy. It’s a pretty complicated thing to try to achieve the right balance as the city grows. Of course, not all the challenges come from the city. NIMBY neighbors have proven that they too are a force with which to be reckoned.
    In the end, it doesn’t matter how high a building can go or how much density can be acheived. It’s going to be expensive. It’s difficult logistically to manage a project in an urban area. Steel and concrete have gone through the roof in a post Katrina world that that is exacerbated by the voracious appetite of the Chinese construction boom. And, that’s not even mentioning what is happening to energy costs. The fact is that the type of construction necessary to house people in high density is getting exponentially more expensive. You will never see 150K condos in downtown Raleigh going forward without some sort of significant investment on the part of the city or other public entities.

  • Doremus Jessup

    did somebody say “apartment for rent”? LOL

  • Doremus Jessup

    did somebody say “apartment for rent”? LOL